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Mobilization on September 7 against the retreats will take place in a very tense political climate. Will it turn into anti-Sarkozy demonstration

Bernard Thibault. This is neither the subject nor the message. The goal is to finally understand that employees do not accept this reform. And it is not we who have moved the debate in the security field to try, without success, to lure...

François Chérèque. This is not us nor who chose the calendar, or to down load the reform "of the quinquennium" in full political crisis in the majority, with the Minister in charge of the file in the heart of this crisis!

Precisely, the Minister for work, Eric Woerth, acknowledged this Thursday be made for the award of the Legion of honour of Patrice de Maistre, Liliane Bettencourt wealth manager. Is it still a credible interlocutor Ask yourself now his departure

F. C.. I ask myself a legitimate question: How can he manage his personal problems with the case of Bettencourt and the reform of pensions at the same time This situation is that it addresses most all the merits of the case. It is a real problem.

B. t. Eric Woerth is objectively more occupied and concerned by something else by the subject, we, here.

This political climate used it for

F. C.. I do not think, that it overshadows the debate on pensions.

B. t. not. It is a structural reform for decades and millions of employees. We should mention the bottom. We are the only countries to legislate on a stake in society without that no negotiations had taken place with the unions. We are in addition to a Government on the departure. It is the least specific.

What suites give you on the day of the 7th of September if the Government does not meet your expectations

B. T. The Inter-Union will meet as early as 8 and will decide. It must first ensure the success and take stock of the 7. Let us not confuse velocity and precipitation.

F. C.. We will be very attentive at the level of strike in the private sector. But the Government will not forever continue to wait for the next event! It going well one day it stops to amuse the gallery and reopens a true dialogue.

In concrete terms, how do you expect influence reform

B. T. It first to confirm our unanimous in this reform opposition, regardless of our opinions on alternative solutions. It does nothing happened since the mobilization of June 24 while the Government had suggested that some subjects were capable. Even on these issues, he has committed no serious discussion.

In this context, is what place there for the dialogue

F. C.. Dialogue will exist only if the Government moves on four topics: the arduous nature, long career, the polypensionnés and very important, the passage from 65 to 67 years for retirement at full rate. This report to 67 years is unacceptable. It would penalize the people who have had incomplete careers, and particularly women. We demand the maintenance of the age of the full rate without haircut at age 65 until 2018, date on which a new appointment on pensions is expected. I dispute the figures announced by the Minister on the cost of this measure.

François Chérèque, does that mean that in gesture of the Government on the 67 years, you would accept the passage from 60 to 62 years of legal age

F. c. non. The position of the CFDT has always been clear on this matter: we want to build a fair reform on the basis of the terminals of 60 and 65 years.

Bernard Thibault, do you, too, that a decline in the Government on the 67 would be a gesture to revive the dialogue

B. T. The ages of 60 and 65 years of age in which we are attached are not separable. The Government has to recall that it was also closed on the maintenance of the 65 as of 60 years. It is the strength of the unit mobilization which only can allow an unblocking of the situation on these two issues.

The Government appears ready to make concessions on the arduous nature...

B. T. Which For now, he said nothing of his intentions. Of after what I read in the press, it would be ready to wave discussions on prevention. It is very insufficient. Need offset the effects of the hardship on employees worn by their work by giving advance departures. Individualized and professional approach in which the Government currently hangs is the copy of that of employers since 2003, unanimously rejected by the unions.

The text provides a retirement for insured persons with a disability of at least 20 rate. Would be more acceptable if it lowered this threshold, 15 for example

B. T. No!

F. c. non. Medicalized approach proposed by the Government is unworkable and unacceptable. This is not a question of the rate.

You ask a consideration of the effects deferred for the hardship, such as night work or exposure to toxic chemicals. The Government responds that it is very difficult to measure the effects on health...

F. C.. The unions have already been a large part of the path by profoundly changing their position on the arduous nature. We have agreed to not together based us on trades or classes of employees, but on exposure to the risks, on scientific criteria that are already known.

B. T. These deferred effects are real and translate into a life expectancy shorter for seven years for employees who have had a difficult job. It is a fact that the Government cannot ignore.

The parliamentary debate that opens Tuesday will be an opportunity for the PS to recall its own project on pensions. Is it better than the Government

B. T. I do not want me situate in the political field.

F. C.. The PS is a proposal based on the increase in the length of contribution. It was the spirit of the 2003 reform and it is always the position of the CFDT.

Expect more of the parliamentary majority to the Government

B. T. I do not expect to see it act against the President of the Republic...

F. C.. We were at the meeting of the members of this summer. It will be seen after mobilization if they are listening to the French Government and if they will take their responsibilities accordingly.

Public opinion has changed from 2003 on pensions. Don't you be afraid of losing this battle

B. T. This is not what we measure on the ground and there is not a single survey stating that a majority favourable to this reform. The only category that is in this state of mind is the pensioners, who will not be impacted.

F. C.. Do not misunderstand. Opinion knows that a reform should be, but it is not on that one. That is why we were many on the street in June and that we will be again Tuesday.

Bernard Thibault, you are at the origin of the major strikes of end of 1995. The current social climate reminiscent it it this time

B. T. Economic and political contexts are different. 2010 is a very singular, unpublished case. The CGT is determined to fight to the end against this project, but it should still make great picks. In the end, it is not the unions who decide but the employees.

F. C.. The period is regressive. While a theme such as pensions, pillar of the social pact, should bring together the country, the Government maintains a climate of division. This echoes the post-crisis of 1929, with identity and nationalist withdrawal which constitutes a danger to democracy.

You will participate both in the gathering, tomorrow, to defend the values of the Republic. Do you consider really threatened

F. C.. When I see that two French children may be treated differently by the courts on the origins of their parents, it does not pass. It reaches a limit that I absolutely cannot accept.

B. T. I very strongly condemn the close association that made Nicolas Sarkozy between immigration and insecurity. It is also clear xenophobia monte everywhere in Europe. This is worrisome.